the basic platform is now quite a lot larger as the former one, so that it is able to receive the additional SPDIF-section in front (bottom right the 5 Volt controlled power supply connection)...
and the "Balanced Analog Outputs" on the rear side
Well, I think it is alright to say that since the beginning of this year we are now quite used to the sound of the DDDAC1794 with 1 deck and 4 decks, both with controlled power supplies for 5 Volt and 12 Volt, we "think" we have it "in the ear"... and so it was rather "easy" for us to compare both SPDIF and USB now directly with the new DDDAC1794 with eight decks, and to compare in a fair way, and we always want to remain "fair" resp. "neutral"... why? to get out the most for us...
yes, and the results were that way that the SPDIF sounds really pretty fine, clearly the best that I have heard so far, but, as we all know, the results are inevitably more or less combined and integrated "error correction", and for that reason alone the reproduction via hard drive and USB is clearly superior. But I have to ask: Do high- and highest end aficionados really still listen to CD? I really do hope that not... (I use it only for ripping purposes)...
anyway, one can say, with SPDIF the whole sound is some sort of "rounder", a little more compressed, more "sticked" together, while USB (we checked it out with MAC Mini, Audirvana Plus and SilverLine USB-cable)...
... has much much less distortion, much more preciseness, more definition, more openness, it sounds easier, airier, more relaxed, much less "brain deranging", yes, you may say: music in a floating style... this is simply the way we want to listen to music...
2. the second test concentrated on the comparison of different USB-cables. And we had three of them. Well, you know presumably better than me what the fuss is all about with all those different USB-cables in copper, silver and whatever, reaching in price from some € up to 5.000 €/meter (as to be seen on the last Munich audio fair). And at the moment still everybody has to use an USB-cable if one wants to reproduce music via PC/MAC > hard drive > USB-cable > DAC.
I told you already in my last report that the power supply within the USB-cables is really "crap", presumably the worst that you ever get delivered. And to me the changing of USB-cables now indeed appears comparable to the changing of the pick-ups in the vinyl-area: It is only more or less curing the symptom but not erasing the cause, to make it short, in both cases it is "tayloring to taste".
And we have proven that it is exactly like that - at least in the digital area. Not only Bernd but as well Doede, they both have developed controlled power supplies for 12 Volt a n d for 5 Volt especially for that purpose: to get rid of exactly that 5 Volt power supply which is delivered within the USB-cable from PC and/or MAC...
if you want to read more about controlled power in detail and why they are so important for our sound, have a look here:
...and the results in the music reproduction show more than dramatically. The positive amelioration effects in sound indeed are that great, that nobody could have imagined or anticipated them in advance. So, for us it is no longer a question, within one of the next steps of development we want to get completely rid of this USB-norm, which is "good" for computer-purposes, but not for our beloved HiFi.
And as we now definitely do know that, we now consequently wanted to find out how different USB-cables "behave" in sound, when they no longer transport the 5 Volt from PC/MAC but only the digital signal and nothing else, i.e. when the DDDAC1794 is externally fed with a separate 5 Volt controlled power supply, and then we wanted to compare the results to each other...
Now, how many and what cables did we have? Well, there were three. The first one was a discovery of Triode Dick
and his new site
who has been with us for the first time at the end of last year and who has it in use for quite some time, as does Doede, the second one is the Kimber Silver USB-cable that Klaus and I very contentfully use (this was not our idea, the recommendation came from the computeraudio-site, and we just tried out), and the third one, just to give us an impression "where" we are, was a very simple 3 meter basic no-name USB-cable.
O.k., to bring it to the point: our impression was that all the so called "differences" which are said to the USB-cables are still "there", but to a much much smaller extent, so to say, the importance of an USB-cable tends to be reduced to become rather neglectable! The SilverLine was light, bright, transparent, perhaps just a little too defined and to "pointed" in the highs (maybe some systems need exactly that). The Kimber Silver was more "neutral", less spectacular, less aggressiv, more retained, to my ears simply more "natural". And the 3 meter no-name USB-cable was quite surprising, even astonishing, it was good, broader, it delivered really fine upper frequencies, but (unfortunately) the bass was more (too) pronounced.
Nevertheless all the cables "gain" considerably when they are not "misused" to transport (crappy) 5 Volt. In 2014 we will see what happens when we quit USB completely and use RG58 cable and BNC-connectors directly from motherboard to the DDDAC1794 without the - at the moment - still inevitable plug and connector interruptions on the back of the PC/MAC ...I hardly can wait for that...
ah, I nearly forgot, we did this test with PC and the JRiver Media Center program:
3. The third test that interested us very much was the Sowter transformers "against" the Mundorf silver oil capacitors. If you have them installed, you are able to choose simply by changing the cables. To the left the two Sowters (now with a 12 step loudness attenuator), and to the right the Mundorfs...
The Sowters were absolutely the clear winners for Bernd and Doede. Contrarily Klaus was rather restrained. And for me the Mundorfs may stay exactly as they are. They are simply perfect. Perhaps it is ultimatively a matter of personal taste. I am (for the second time) indeed still not yet really quite sure about it. I will have the possibility to test it out further in detail when Doede in January will be in the U.S.A. and when we will have this marvellous DDDAC1794 here for us alone to test it within a longer period (which I think in this case is necessary)...
to be continued...
Closer to the truth, part 3
Tests and results
well, half of the day had already "gone" after having "hosted" our french guests, Raoul and Dominique, and after having finished our first three tests. Although I have to admit that listening and experimenting with music in such a sublime surrounding...
to the left: Bernd; to the right: Doede - just having prepared the next test to begin and now moving to their seats curious about that what would happen...
...never ever appears some sort of boring to me, it is just the opposite, I feel it to be downright "timeless", and indeed all participants regularly agree that time really does not seem to play any significant role during all our experiments, because it is always about gathering experiences and sharing so much fun and joy and especially delight when things finally work out that fine for us...
4. So, we started our next test, and yes, this topic is one of the most interesting if one follows the discussions in the net: Reproduction of digital stream with PC and/or MAC. There is no excuse, at least in our group we (Klaus, Bernd and me) did not care that much about that theme in the past. Although right from the beginning we were close "followers" of the corresponding results which are generated, presented and discussed in detail here in this treasure box:
which indeed continuously and informatively reports on all things that happen within the digital scene. And the results become even more interesting because of all the single consumer reports. So I really like to recommend this page to all those people who are interested and like to deepen their knowledge within digital stream to be able to make qualified decisions on their own on the basis and experiences that others already have made. And this with special view on those products which are available for everybody on the market...
Presumably you all know about this seeming endlessly ongoing discussion all around the globe of what computer is best to use for digital music reproduction: PC or MAC? Well, we do, and we were all very lucky, that Doede finally had bought and configured a complete Mini-Mac with all necessary "ingredients" and brought it with him, ready to be tested. Against what? Against PC of course.
Well, ultimately it is not just a singular decision to use a PC or a MAC, there is quite a lot of "accessories" inevitably "welded" with this decision which all produce differences in sound and which simply can n o t be swapped against one or another: programs, drivers, apps, codecs... We have simply to face that it is always a "bundle of ingredients" more or less well harmonically (and right?) combined and adjusted that we compare here, and not just single ones so that we never ever can say, yes, this specific result is generated by that single object and not by any other, we always have an influence as a whole, although we can exchange single parts, if we think that we are not "content"...
...even worse, in addition to that we have different digital formats and presumably different results within the ripping process: flac, ape, m4u, aiff... (at least when we have a closer look onto the amount of the generated data which are not identical but should be - at least from my understanding when ripping the same single CD) that natively only play on the one or the other platform, and without further "transcodes" are just not playable "here" a n d "there"..
And I tell you from my experiences within digital stream, the one fact that nerves me the most are especially these "transcodes", not only for downsampling purposes but as well to make digital "suitable" just for the other platform. I admit that I do not have that much knowledge about the internal mathematical algorithms which do that and what an effect they have on our music, but I have to face that they in fact have an influence which I can clearly hear, and that I have no possibility to take any influence on.. I have to live with the fact that every change in both camps simply has an effect on our sound, and that within the digital domain!!! I am not content with that state, and I can't get rid of the feeling that exactly that should not be the case!
Louis XIV, the sun king, once said: Gouverner moins, c'est gouverner mieux." (something like: to reign less means to reign better). And from what I have experienced so far I am absolutely convinced that this sentence has become another new "qualified" meaning within digital music reproduction. Transcode less is better, and best is: no transcodes at all. That's what we have found out with the direct reproduction of DSD/DFF. And it proves to be just right...
So, what did we test then? Well, PC against MAC. PC with the latest foobar2000 Version 1.3 dating from 2013-12-27 with Wasapi 3.2.3 and DDDAC-Software (and later on the JRiver program which revealed superb mids and highs but was only a little "broader" within the bass) against MAC-Mini with Audirvana Plus.
See the full construction of both the MAC-Mini and the PC-Portable connected to external NAS and harddrive > DDDAC1794 with 8 decks > Sowter transformers o r Mundorf Silver Oil capacitors...
...in combination to be tested with the two Sowter transformers...
connected to the left...
...against...
...Mundorf Silver Oil capacitors... connected to the right
Yes, and what about the results? There were quite a lot of ameliorations in both camps, PC and MAC. They are indeed really incredible, but they are all of a different kind. On that super highest level it is hard to decide what ultimately may be better or even "the best". Anyway, you can calm down, both the PC and the MAC are really really superb. Although for months and months and months the discussion for example on the computeraudiophile-site from time to time favored PC and months later MAC, and then PC again, and then MAC again, so that one really got quite nervous to be able to keep up with being on the "right" side, both camps - at least at the moment - seem to have come very close together, and the differences tend to become neglectable indeed...
The main argument from Doede, who had followed and experienced especially that development - PC versus MAC - already at his home and much more than us here was: Foobar meanwhile with its newest driver has come close or reached or even to a certain extent surpassed the level of MAC, especially with its newest driver "foobar2000_v1.3.exe" which dates from 2013-12-27 and is available here for free:
The final result to my own ears are as well very very close to "equal", and in both camps there is no tayloring to taste at all. The staggering of the arrangements of the instruments has really come to the forefront, the reproduction indeed is really "distingué", the whole stage has become "darker", there is more "seeing-through", there is more precision and definition, there even some "three-dimensional musical erotic elements" have developed, so that it ultimately may be a matter of personal taste or preference what to choose... personally I am not a "jumper", I do not jump to and fro, i.e. from MAC to PC, from PC to MAC and so on, and so I will stay with foobar (I am extremely content with that program, and it is not only me, I am used to it and especially "I have it in my ear" so to speak)...
But in the end we had and still have to ask ourselves: Well, if this what we listen to is all really "bit-perfect", and that in both camps, why are there (still) so many differences within the musical reproduction in our systems?
5. So, the next test was comparing DDDAC1794 with four decks against DDDAC1794 with eight decks.
The principle in further multiplying chips was exactly that what I had "urged" Doede to do already years ago in the beginning of the development of his DDDAC1543, where from mathematical point of view a "more" than 60 chips could not bring any "more" amelioration in sound ( 2 + 2 = 4, what more should you expect ? ), but revealed on my "pressure" to build 120 chips a sensational gain in sound and especially a not at all planned and not at all to be foreseen reduction in jitter which nobody could have expected and even more physically simply could not even exist. This was incredible!!! For more about Doede's "new" theory have a look here:
And now with the new DDDAD1794 it was clear that right from the beginning - even against mathematical and physical "results" - Doede would try out more high resolution chips/decks as well. And so he constructed a platform on which the mounting of decks was no problem. But as it came out, there were. Unexpectedly. But those problems were exactly the poke for Doede to get rid of them. As far as I got to know him he simply cannot live with any unsolved physical problems... Doede, I really "love" you for solving exactly these "problems" and posessing the skills to do so and definitely hear the results!!!
After having realized the problems which acoustically appeared from time to time as some sort of crickling and crackling in the sound, within the last couple of months he built a completely new basic platform which now allows the stacking of more than four decks without any trouble (we still have to try out in the end how much and to what extent it goes and how much decks are "worthy" at all being stacked for our musical purposes)
Doede's complete DDDAC1794 with Sowter transformers and new twelve step sound level attenuator, Mundorf's silver oil capacitors and - to the right - eight decks, i.e. sixteen 1794 chips
And the listening results show how fantastic this stepping up is. With four decks you are already in HiFi-heaven. There is definitely no doubt about it. And this is terriffically-well. But with eight decks it is even more terriffically-well. The sound gets erotic. The bass is still quicker and cleaner (I love that the most), there is more "silver", the sound is more natural, and as Doede told: "one forgets to pay attention to the music being played", the deepest organ becomes a smoothness like in a real church, and the voices from females, for example the one from Diana Krall, gets a "breathing" which sparkles down your spine and lets you think you are in bed doing... yes... right...
...not to drift away, but anyway the music out of the both, out of MAC and PC, is absolutely fluid, deeply relaxing and really wonderful to listen to... aaaahhh, what a joy, and what a level in music reproduction... this is genious !!!
6. The next test concentrated on the reproduction of SACD, i.e. PCM and ISO/DFF. We did that with quite an enormous and different kind of sources, MFSL UDSACD, Analogue Records SACDs from Steve Hoffman... not only the best of the best sources but all which we can lay our hands upon...
...and the result is simple: PCM is good, really good, without a doubt, but ISO/DFF is better, without two doubts. Much more better. This is technically the one and only "bit-perfect" source that we can get, if we know, yes, if we know how to create a perfect PS3-rip, which for some is "not a new sensation", but which practically indeed is not that easy. You will have to use different sort of programs and know "how" to use them to get it just right...
We have to keep in mind that that what we normally "get" is not the pure digital signal that is recorded on the master in the studio, what we "get" is in the one or other way some sort of downsampled with a cut-off data-result, and so is the music then: cut-off... but if the sources are "right", then we get the "right" sound, so we have to pay strong attention on that what we play and not only "judge" how "bad" the sound is when the source is not "right"... here some judging highest end aficionados still have to learn a strong lesson !!!
...and of course Doede had some hard core test material not only with highest resolution with him, but as well for example a collection of the favorite tunes of the members of stereoplay's testing crew, and the quality showed (really recommended)
7. I couldn't leave it out, but the next test was "my" personal reference-test: PC > Foobar2000 > RAM > DDDAC1794 with 8 decks and controlled power supply for 5 and 12 Volt with Dead Can Dance - Into The Labyrinth (1993) (2008) 4AD, MFSL SACD SAD 2711 [ISO]